Greg & Debra Barnes Refund Letters

18 Aug 2000

As many of you may already know, Greg and Debra Barnes were declared Suppressive by the Church of Scientology. RTC apparently views it as a high crime for someone on OT 7 to object to being security checked every six months, even though these “six-month checks” (as they are fondly referred to by the 7s) violate an LRH technical bulletin. Could it be that the $20,000 or more that each OT is required to pay every six months for their sec check is more important to RTC than technical purity?

After they were declared, the Barnes wrote a letter to the IAS, which is the International Association of Scientologists, asking for their money back. They had both paid for lifetime memberships, a total of more than $40,000.

For those of you who are not familiar with the history of the IAS, let me fill you in. Back in the late 1970s, Mary Sue Hubbard, Henning Heldt, Duke Snider, and several other high-level Guardian’s Office execs were indicted for stealing government documents and a list of other dirty tricks. To raise money for their defense, the Guardian’s Office created a new organization called the Safe Environment Fund, or SEF. Everyone was told that the purpose of SEF was to create a War Chest to fight Scientology’s enemies.

There were big SEF briefings and all the public Scientologists had to donate tremendous amounts of money to defend the GO execs. At that time the people in charge of the global conspiracy to destroy Scientology were not Bob Minton, the German government and the LMT. Back then the U.S. government — particularly the FBI — was in charge of it. (That was before the IRS rolled over and gave Scientology its tax exemption and the U.S. government became Scientology’s most ardent defender.)

The money collected by SEF was used to cover the costs of all the dirty tricks Scientology carried out to try (unsuccessfully) to derail the criminal case against Mary Sue et al. A private investigator named Dick Bast, for example, was hired to set up the judge in the case, Judge Ritchey, with a prostitute to destroy his career. The set-up worked beautifully, and Judge Ritchey had to remove himself from the case. An article ran in one of Scientology’s internal publications proclaiming what a big win this was for Scientology’s expansion on the planet.

When David Miscavige took over Scientology in 1982 he changed the name of the Guardian’s Office to the Office of Special Affairs, and he changed the name of the Safe Environment Fund to the International Association of Scientologists. Today, it is the IAS, not SEF, that collects millions of dollars in donations from Scientologists all over the world. The money is still used for the same purpose — to protect Scientology from its enemies. Only now its enemies are Bob Minton, Ursula Caberta, the LMT, etc. It is IAS monies that are being used to harass and try to destroy these “enemies.”

So Scientology does not want a spotlight on the IAS, because IAS is the Achilles heel of their precious U.S. tax exemption. This is undoubtedly why the Barnes’ request to IAS for a refund received such prompt attention.

First Greg and Debra wrote a simple refund request without any elaboration. This is the letter they received in response:

26 May 2000

Dear Mr. & Mrs. Barnes:

We are in receipt of your request of a return of your donations to the IAS. The rules of the IAS clearly state that contributions are not refundable. This rule is set forth on the IAS membership and donation forms. You acknowledged your understanding of this policy when you signed these forms.

Please advise if you have further information regarding this matter you would like me to consider.


Lise Cohee
Legal Affairs Director
IAS Administrations
on behalf of the IAS

Well, it seems that Greg and Debra did, indeed, have some further information they wanted Lise to consider, so they wrote her back the following letter:

June 5,2000

Dear Lise,

We certainly do have further information for you to consider; it is where to start, is the problem.

First of all the IAS is an enforced membership that if anyone is to do services as long as we did and went as “OT” as we did you have to become members. The additional donations are harassed out of you with alarming tales of the tech being “attacked” or needed “publications” to alert the populace of the dangers of what ever the flavor of the month dangerous environment you guys dream up is.

We gave to your organization based upon the false reports by your representatives of the German Scientologists being persecuted by ex-Nazi Psychiatrists, when in actuality according to all the German Scientologists I spoke with at the Sand Castle, it was the financial irregularities and out 2-D activities of org executives in Germany as well as poor results, that created the attacks, which your representatives failed to mention conveniently.

We gave to your organization without knowing that RTC was rewriting LRH technical bulletins and his basic books which lower ones ability to obtain power and the results LRH speaks of. I gave to your organization without knowing of the criminal actions being perpetrated on Scientologists and ex not to mention the general public in which millions were spent, and are still being spent, defending your criminal actions in which you lose the cases. (specifically Mr. Hill in Canada and Bonnie Woods in England to name a few)

We gave to your organization without knowing of Fair Game still being practiced by the GO… oops we meant OSA. We gave to your organization without knowing that Mike Rinder’s opinion of spiritual sustenance was holding my friend [Lisa McPherson] down and forcing a concoction of illegally obtained drugs down her throat. Evidently you guys found some other lost tech that we did not know about.

We gave to your organization and attended the Patron Balls because we believed in your stated goals of “support and protect the Scientology religion and Scientologists in all parts of the world so as to achieve the Aims of Scientology as originated by L. Ron Hubbard”.

Never in our wildest dreams did we ever think that we would be on the receiving end of your “Fair Game” and “Black PR” tactics. Never did we think or even vaguely consider that you would hold me against my will at the Sandcastle whilst one of your “Golden Age of Tech” auditor of the year award winning auditors would perform squirrel processes in an attempt to create a psychotic break and when that failed your organization turned on its “Fair Game” machine. Did I fail to mention the C/S was the deputy Senior C/S FSO. We did not see the “support and protect Scientologists” hat being worn here.

The fact that orgs in Germany, France, Russia and Spain are on life support and the fact that the “Church of Scientology” is on the way out in Europe is evidence of your hat not being worn regarding protecting Scientology. Some how I do not think that LRH envisioned your actions or inaction as the “Aims of Scientology” he was talking about… I could be wrong there though. Oh, did I forget about you being kicked out of Greece and your charitable status being laughed out of England, in other words denied.

Regarding the Scientologists in France, Germany and Italy who went to jail for fraud and other interesting crimes did you protect them by bribing the prison guards to give them extra rations of cigarettes or was the CSW for a grant to help them denied because the funds were needed for attorneys else where.

Need we go one with the total disdain and contempt that we have for the despicable con job you are perpetrating on the Scientology public? I think maybe you got our point but if not please do not hesitate to write back and I will give you more.

I would think that an organization of such an “ethical purity” with such a crusade for “Total Freedom” would be insulted to want to keep the money of such people who think of you as we do. I would think that you would be glad to be free of the funds we gave you and wash your pure hands of our despicable association.

Well we think that we have given you enough to consider and we do hope that you will be sickened by the thought of holding onto dirty money such as ours.

Oh we will give you back the Patron Pin and Plaques upon receipt of our funds but the photos that were taken of us at the “Balls” we will keep.


Greg and Debra Barnes

P.S. I do not think that Loretta Miscavige had to write to you when you gave back her $40,000… oops I guess no one was suppose to know that… well that is the story we were told.

This communication did seem to have an effect. This is the letter Greg and Debra received in response:

3 July 2000

Dear Mr. & Mrs. Barnes:

We are in receipt of your letter of June 13th, 2000. We find your allegations to be totally unfounded, nonetheless, and while under no legal obligation to make any refund of your donations, the IAS has decided, upon review of your letter and your clear indication that you no longer desire to be a member of the IAS, to return to you the donations you made.

Please find enclosed a Release and Waiver for your signatures. The Association will, upon receipt of the executed Release and Waiver, forward to you a cashier’s check in the amount of $40,660 being equal to all the donations you made to the IAS, and will cancel your memberships in the Association.


Lise Cohee
Legal Affairs Director
IAS Administrations
on behalf of the IAS

Here is the release and waiver Greg and Debra were required to sign:


We, GREG and DEBRA BARNES herewith declare the following:

That we have made non-refundable donations to the International Association of Scientologists (“IAS”) in the amount of US$ 40,660. With the receipt of a return of that amount, being all funds ever donated by us to the IAS on our behalf and on behalf of our children, we waive all claims and rights against the IAS. All our claims against the IAS are settled for any legal reason with the receipt of the above sum.

That we, our heirs, our successors, representatives, agents, employees, attorneys and assigns release and forever discharge the International Association of Scientologists, IAS Administrations, and their respective successors, agents, officers, directors, divisions, shareholders, trustees, fundraisers and employees from any and all claims, damages, causes of action of any kind which we now have or may hereafter have, from the beginning of time, to and including the effective date of this release.

That we understand that the term “any and all claims” as used above, means and includes, but is not limited to, all claims of any kind, whether known or unknown, anticipated or unanticipated, past or present, contingent or fixed. We agree that the term “any and all claims” shall be interpreted liberally and as sufficiently comprehensive so that this agreement precludes any and all disputes, litigation or controversy brought by the undersigned.

That we have resigned our memberships and those of our children in the IAS. That we are signing this Release and Waiver on our own free will and decision. That we have read this Release and Waiver and understand completely each of its conditions and stipulations.

The Barnes sent their release and waiver in, and in return they received the following letter, with a check for $40,660 enclosed:

26 July 2000

Dear Mr. & Mrs. Barnes,

Find enclosed a check in the amount of $40,660 being the return of all the donations you made to the International Association of Scientologists in your name and on behalf of your family.


Lise Cohee
Legal Affairs Director

I guess this successful correspondence shows that the old Scientology maxim, “When in doubt, communicate,” is still effective, at least in certain parts of the organization.

Stacy Brooks

February 13, 2001

To: Glen Stilo OSA

From: Greg Barnes

Dear Glen,

In regards to your letter of January 31st which was in response to my letters of January 5th and the 30th let me remind you of my original letter of May 2nd 2000 page three.

We demanded nearly a year ago the total of $170,000 from Flag although the corrected amount is $190,835.80. Your statement of surprise “Now you are demanding $190,835.80” is just another one of your organization’s deceptive statements, the same manner of deceptive statements that has created so many motivators for your organization. Stop trying to alter-is my obvious written communication and this cycle will as-is and go away.

You state in your letter “You have, for some inexplicable reason, chosen to turn to sources of “information” that are entirely unworthy of belief.” Well Glen your chief executive David Miscaviage and LRH have been these “sources of “information”. Lies and deception are the reasons for our demand of our funds back.

Also our own experiences are sources of information and I wish to expound on these so you can as-is and duplicate totally. Confront these points Glen they come from LRH and RTC and your own publications.

First the thousands of dollars we paid over some seven years on your “six month checks” now called “refreshers” that violates C/S Series 73RA as well as C/S Series 73RB. C/S series 73RA re-revised 1 July 1985 copyright L. Ron Hubbard states emphatically what should and should not be given between OT levels or when one is on an OT level. This HCOB is 12 pages long and no longer in existence since RTC had all these references picked up in early 90’s –wonder why that was done???? We will get back to that later.

Not to mention the travel and accommodation expenses for these bogus “six month checks, that per Hubbard should have never been done.


Now C/S series 73RB was written in 1990 some 4 years after Hubbard died and is 5 pages long, 7 pages shorter than 73RA written while Hubbard was alive….can you please explain this???

C/S Series 73RB states emphatically “Pre-OT’s progressing well in the No-Interference Area should not be interfered with by Sec Checking or anything else.”

It was our querying of these references per policy that missed someone’s withholds and then the OSA black PR machine was unleashed on my family and business.

Now let’s talk about the “church’s” OT 5 of which my wife did two versions. First there was “New OT 5” to replace the “squirrel Mayo 5” and then the “New Rundowns” all of which we had to pay for. It did not matter that we paid for it once and thought we were getting in right the first time we still had to pay for your “New Rundowns”. More money for something we thought was supposedly correct the first time.

Now the 25 hours of NOT’s repair lists which cost us some $16,000, done in late 1998 and early 1999 on Debra who was so screwed up by your “six month checks”. We paid to “fix” your standard auditing.

Now your L’s of which in 2000 Flag started recalling these “completions” for new tech someone has uncovered. I did L-11 in 1989 and then got review for almost a year afterwards because of a nervous breakdown that I experienced after completing your L-11. I lost my business and almost my marriage. Lucky for me I did not end up like Lisa McPherson and some of the other victims of your L’s who died of brain tumors or just went bankrupt or got divorces.

Your promotional material states “A New Life” well I want the one I had before – thank you.

Your chairman of the board David Miscarriage stated to all of us that “you are using only 3 tools out of 79” not to mention the updates that just appeared in the early 90’s that we had to pay for as well. Miscaviage did not deliver what was promised to any of us on 7, this violates one of Scientology’s biggest policies


“deliver what your promise”. What level of exchange is this, Glen ??? It ranks as partial if not rip off per Hubbard’s own policies.

The D of P’s at the Sandcastle told Debra and myself we would have never finished the level the way we were trained by your organization.

My wife and I were also told that we were “squirrel” auditors and that is why we had to be retrained on the SNCC. It was not that we did anything outrageous in our sessions it was just that we were not trained correctly the first time. What was RTC’s or Senior C/S international responsibility in all this – NONE!!! Pay up and shut up was the answer to us.

Regarding the C/S’ing we paid for on OT 7. None of the C/S’es are OT 7 completions nor are any of the examiners or qual terminals who corrected us. Per Hubbards own HCOB’s – C/S’es must be at or above the pc’s or pre-OT’s level to C/S them as well as qual terminals. So all the money we paid for this “expertise” was wasted since no one knew what to look for regarding a completion. Is this another example of the blind leading the blind ?? Except we the public paid for the blindness.

Now the pricing of your SNCC was something to behold. First if you were still auditing on this “squirrel” level ( Tech staff at the Sandcastle words not mine) it was cheaper but if you stopped auditing because it was wrong then you had to pay more. What is that all about??? Your pricing rationale is illogical and invalidative of parishioners applying Hubbards policy of KSW. No matter how badly Flag or RTC screwed up the public have to pay.

Now lets talk about the Sandcastles auditors not applying “HCOB reads on OT 3’a and above”. For some individuals during the non- standard “six month checks’ now called “refreshers” the auditors handle the reads OT style and on other parishioners they did not. This is just another example of gross misapplication or just plain no application of Hubbard’s stated technical bulletins. We trusted your “professionals” and RTC’s “Purity of the tech” guarantee, and we took it up the tail pipe big time.

Now for the “reverse auditing” and that is the term used on C/S’es sent down from International Management. This is probably the most despicable and sick procedure your organization undertakes to silence or turn parishioners around who are out of line. CCHR attacks psychiatry for its abuses, this takes the cake.


Your specially selected auditors, and Terese Blum is one of them, are given a C/S to alter standard processes to induce a psychotic break in pre-OT’s or pc’s.

This is a premeditated attempt to harm with no worthwhile purpose but to disable someone who management considers a threat.

HCOPL 18 October 1967 Penalties For Lower Conditions:

Enemy – SP Order. Fair Game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed. My family experienced this supposed canceled policy written by Hubbard.

The above Fair Game PL was canceled in October of 1968 but as Hubbard stated “Fair Game may not appear on any Ethics Order.” “This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP.”

Oh yes, Glen, we know “Scientology does not do this anymore”. But does it do it any less is my question? This is another example of an “unworthy of belief” source of information – LRH’s own written policy.

Regarding LRH’s achievements before Scientology and during Scientology that are in your many publications. The public documents as well as Hubbards own letters to the FBI and the Veterans Association are my source of information.

But the scariest was Hubbards coroners report which proves that these upper levels are dangerous and that they do not deliver anything close to your publication’s stated goals.

Now let’s talk about Davey Miscaviages confidential RTC written explanation of why we all were going no where on OT 7. Not the senior C/S international’s written communication but Davids communication. Who runs the tech show over there anyways???

It is a hidden data line when Miscaviage commented that he got all his data from Hubbards own folders on OT 7. Not to mention that Miscaviage stated “you can not blow by inspection on OT 7 you must run routine procedure one on ever action. So now Miscaviage is changing Hubbards HCOB’s that we learned on OT 3,4,5,6?


LRH said it best in KSW series 1 – “The only thing you can upbraided for by students and pc’s is “no results.” “Trouble spots occur only where there are “no rsults.” Upbraided means to rebuke severely or bitterly; censure sharply.

You state in your letter “I am not going to comment on the gratuitous and false garbage that you feel compelled to include in your letters” well, Glen, these are Scientology’s HCOB’s and HCOPL’s as well as David Miscaviage’s event speeches.

You state in your letter, Glen, that “sending copies to others who are not involved in this private matter” regarding getting Scientology to pay us the funds that were paid by us under false pretenses. Glen you have some cahonies, OSA,RTC and the MAA’s at the Sandcastle made up and published the most despicable lies about my wife and me and then circulated them and you are now concerned about privacy…….spare me please.

I think that every member of your organization should know the truth about Hubbard and the alteration of HCOB’s as well as the treatment they can expect if they find out the truth and try to apply the church’s own policy to correct it. People need to be told of the hazards of doing the “upper levels” and that they may end up like Hubbard or so many of the other gross failures who had completed the L’s or had been on the OT levels.

At least tell them the risks, Glen, and if they want to go on then fine but to promote these levels as the most wonderful actions in the universe without the hint of negative effects is neglect and fraud. Do you think that Mrs. David Delaney who committed suicide in 1995 after completing NEW OT 5 would have given that level second thoughts were she to know that she could possibly never see her two young boys again? Unfortunately she was never given the option.

Your organization started on this road of lies and deception and maligning our reputations. Now after applying LRH’s policy on PR series 18 we find the crimes and lies of Hubbard and Miscaviage and you want us to keep it private?? Get over it…. Point out just one thing that I have said that is untrue and if it is false I will retract it.

So, Glen, lets stick to the pertinent points and they are the above points and these below.


1) Destruction of our pc folders with us present or just give them to us.

2) Destruction of our ethics and OSA files. Any ethics 3 files.

3) A signed agreement that your organization or agents will not practice anymore fair game tactics on us.

4) Our money paid to Flag $190,835.80

The non application of the Church of Scientology’s own policies on ethics and honesty as well as the total disregard for technical bulletins as well as the application of insane policies are the results you are seeing here (upbraided). Your ignoring of our demands as listed in our first letter of May 2000 is just making this cycle go on and on. Together Glen we can as-is this dismal communication cycle between us.

I am prepared to continue this cycle for as many lifetimes as it takes. So let’s get together and settle this matter. I need to hear from you by the 25th.


Greg Barnes


One thought on “Greg & Debra Barnes Refund Letters

  1. I appreciate your posting the letter and would like to get more information on the subject of finding a group of ex-scientologists here in Arizona


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